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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : 8bit guy shows Petscii Robots on PicoMite
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karlelch Senior Member  Joined: 30/10/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 237 |
Minute 1:27 YouTube |
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| Volhout Guru  Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5066 |
Wauw... I did send in several minutes of video showing features and the editor. And a video on the game*mite playing it. All that is used is 13 seconds... 1:24 ... 1:37 in the video. Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| karlelch Senior Member Joined: 30/10/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 237 |
Well, he had a lot of news to share  Still, he mentioned that it is probably the only port implemented in Basic. Best Thomas |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5066 |
Apparently our MMBasic version was used to create the TIC-80 version in LUA. Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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Martin H. Guru Joined: 04/06/2022 Location: GermanyPosts: 1221 |
a little sobering but at least it was shown and is one of the official versions.  What can he say, he has never tested it. 'no comment |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10250 |
Thought the stuff on the next-gen X16 was particularly ridiculous. FPGAs and all sorts of advanced chips in order to pretend it is an 8-bit computer when everything on the board could be done by a decent 32-bit processor emulating whatever 8-bit with complete accuracy and clock equivalence |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7877 |
The concept of using a FPGA as glue logic for a big processor to run in 8-bit mode seems strange when even an old FPGA is perfectly capable of running an 8-bit CPU core at full speed all by itself, and has been for many years - see Grant Searle's Multicomp. An FPGA basically *is* the hardware logic, it's not an emulation. It becomes a Z80, 6800, 6809 or whatever, it's just that the logic gates are tied together in VHDL language or something. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4303 |
I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but I kind of get it. You start off pretending it's the 80's (because that's where your "fun" is) and use a real 8-bit processor, but you can't get a ULA so you have to use an FPGA and then it sort of goes off the rails as you need to keep adding to the FPGA because the sound and graphics hardware you want are not longer available ... after which you might as well go the whole hog and stick the CPU in the FPGA. The 8-bit guy hasn't reached that final step yet, but I think they probably will if/when they go to a v3. Best wishes, Tom Edited 2025-07-13 20:06 by thwill MMBasic for Linux, Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5066 |
My prediction. V3 will never happen, because V2 will not sell. V1:there are plenty of old guys around with nostalgic feelings for the old tech. And they will spend money on it. Look at this pcb full of DIL40 socket chips. And it is expandable, and just that bit better than the C64. But oh-so familiar with V2.0 basic. V2: a few surface mount chips on a pcb. Intended to play cartridge games, with ega quality video best case and 10 games(that is all that is playable now). Where is the attraction? No commercial games. Why not buy a nintendo switch for less. V3: cheaper... more limitted, maybe the nostalgia nerds will buy one to put on a shelf. As much as I like the X16 effort, It has really materialized in a nice platform. Although its market may be satutated already. Sorry.. I dont see a future for X16 V2. The nostalgia guys will go for V1, and a new audience is hard to attract. Volhout Edited 2025-07-13 20:40 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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Nimue Guru Joined: 06/08/2020 Location: United KingdomPosts: 420 |
I know this is a " Petscii Robots on PicoMite" thread, but it's morphed into an X-16 one... When the X-16 started, I seem to recall it being about "building my dream" computer. 8/16 bit C64 esq on 6502 out of discrete logic seemed to be the idea. My watching of his channel shows how "feature creep" and the pressures of commercialization have taken over. Once it goes FGPA the game changes considerably and the number of competitors expands massively and I'm sad to say that I think it will fade away. It also seems to have become a "games" only project - stopped being interesting for me now he has introduced V2. One of the draws of reinvented "retro" stuff for me is the ability to understand how they actually work - things mapped into memory, peek/poke addresses etc to make things happen. For what it's worth, I am more interested in the Argon range (ArgonLite But all that said, the 'Mites meets 90% of my techie retro/modern requirements. For me, add in some form of "ROM" images (a-la C64 /NES) -- purely for the giggles, a "hat" that allows saving data to cassette tapes (again for the giggles) and some form of "assembly language" (yes, I know CSUBs - but actual assembly) and that would suit my tinkering for the next 20 years. As always happy to be team 'mite. Entropy is not what it used to be |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2547 |
where is " Petscii Robots on PicoMite" thread, is there a loadable file link and what it need to run? |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3363 |
Look at Volhout's signature two posts above yours. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5066 |
Stanley, At the end of the thread is a link of version 603 that works on 6.00.01 and 02 and 03. The December 2023 version release was on 5.08.00 but has problems with some of the new reserved keywords. Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2547 |
thanks, I agree, why bother. |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5117 |
I can understand his reluctance to promote anything PicoMite or MMBasic, its a direct ( and better ) competitor to his X-16, which I'm sure he has invested a lot of time into. Youtube earnings is unpredictable, so he would be keen to protect his income from Petscii Robots and the X-16. Still, a few seconds mentioning the Picomite port is better than nothing. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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