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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : MX Linux....Installing VB failed, but I don't know why....
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
Tried to install VB on MX Linux tonight, but it failed with an error message, but I don't know WHERE to find the console output it is directing me to. There is no tab in the background, indicating that this is where I need to go, but even if there WAS, I would still be a bit lost. Can anyone help?  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| dddns Guru  Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
Hello! This is a bit of a red line with vbox for all the years and I'm using it since almost 20 years. Be sure you are using the latest realease. I'm using 7.16 and it runs fine so far. My suggestion with Linux and Vbox for you is, to not use a debian based distro but an Ubuntu based one. Important is, that the sources for universe/multiverse come from Ubuntu. Not that Debian is not good, but if you want to have the (by far) best support then choose ubuntu. This is simply because Linux as desktop OS has not many user and if there is a common base, then it's ubuntu. Mint as well offers a debian based version. No fun if you want to try this and that 3rd party software software. e.g. SystemV init was replaced by cannonical and debian is not following. They have changed so many basics that system near software, especially when the software has its own kernel modules which are then build on top with dkms its very likely you run into these problems. Edited 2025-05-11 18:39 by dddns |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
Should I be looking at VMware instead? I hear good things about it now, but I am totally unfamiliar with it though.... Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
VMware has choosen to only be commercial. First it was a complete suite like vbox, then a player and now its no alternative for private use. Vbox is completely ok but think about choosing a different distro.. Edited 2025-05-11 18:44 by dddns |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7657 |
I'd be very surprised if VBox won't install on MX. It may be easier on something else, but I doubt if there's anything to prevent it. Isn't it in the MX repos? Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
You are right I think. But if a newcomer asks me I would never suggest genuine Debian as base. |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
I'd say it ironic: for sure they have version 5.x in their repos.. I'm using: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/mykeys.gpg arch=amd64] https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jammy contrib to be precise: the distro itself does not care about vbox, same with ubuntu. they have almost never their "own" version but if you install it without change under MX, you will get packages directly from debian.org Sources that MX provides care only for the changes MX team does to debian genuine And now with flatpak, appimage and ubuntu 24 the situation worsens or, if you want to see it from a convenient user perspective, it's getting easier with compatibility But I think software relying on own kernel modules will ever be installable Edited 2025-05-11 19:25 by dddns |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
Have a look at "timeshift". You setup your linux box and do a snapshot from the well runing base. From that point on do a snapshot after adopting the system to your needs and so on. You can then shift back to any save point having the same bits on hd from the old situation. A fantastic tool. You can as well take a live cd and restore a snapshot to an empty disk and it will be a 1:1 copy and running with the next reboot. This is very helpful information. I forgot to mention that Ubuntu and its derivatives are the best open documented software there is beside Linux itself Edited 2025-05-11 20:24 by dddns |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
Yes, I thought so, anyway. I just used the MX Tools/Package Manager app thing, found it in the drop-down tree of all the software you can install, clicked that and followed my nose from there. It was then I got the error. Unless I am supposed to be installing it in some other way? Thanks for the link to Github, dddns, I have loaded it in a tab, and will have a bit of a read through it later on. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
Go to their side, download the required package and double click it. That should do it. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
Excellent, thanks, I will try that instead.  I'll keep the thread updated. I assume I use the "All distributions" link? All I am ever going to want to run in a VM, is Windoze 8.1 Pro for my Windoze-only CAD. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7657 |
I'm just going to use a second machine. It's easier than farting about with VMs and cheaper than VMware. :) . Edited 2025-05-13 18:22 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
If you leave a VM suspended, it will resume in about 3s. It can be seamlessly integrated in your win as looking like any other window opened, a linux app running as well. You can easily try out any distro by taking the ISO image to directly boot from. Its ideal for developing Being able to configure and run a VM only using the shell without any GUI is no rocket science A USB device can be isolated and defined for a VM exclusively. You can manage even a 3d printer through/with a VM if you want A VM can run headless. Its easy to have e.g. some server running while you are developing some client software. You can have your remote screen visible through a browser Edited 2025-05-13 19:49 by dddns |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
You do have a point there - a very good one. I have several spare NUC-sized boxes, that can EASILY run the likes of Win8, so I COULD use one of those with a minimal Win8 install, to run the CAD, and MX Linux on my main machine, and then use a hardware KVM switch. I AM thinking about this kind of idea, cos you can then switch between a Win8 NUC, and a MX Linux NUC via the KVM, and it is pretty much instant. So many things to think about!  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
You could run all OS on one machine simultaneously if you want by starting a second and third and.. within your GUI The only question is, which OS should be the host? ;) Edited 2025-05-13 19:57 by dddns |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9535 |
Sorry, I don't follow you.  Are you talking about several different VM's under Linux? Or are you talking about several OS versions in a multi-boot type setup? Sorry for the newbie question. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 415 |
Vbox emulates a PC in a VM you start on which you install WIN10 e.g But of cause you can start a second and third VM on the same PC in which Ubuntu and Solaris is running e.g. any Intel architecture Edited 2025-05-13 20:32 by dddns |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7657 |
In my own case VMs aren't great. They need RAM and I only have 4GB in the machine - and it's obviously not all available to the user. Coupled with low powered processors it's not a great mix. OTOH I have a spare similar spec PC sitting there doing nothing. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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