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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : W11 continues to FORCE people to have a MS account.....
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9599 |
Up until now, I have always been able to bypass the need for a MS account through various means, but MS obviously don't want people to be able to do this - they VERY actively continue to PREVENT you using any form of workaround with every new release of W11, and this latest one would seem to now try to block you using the SHIFT+F10 method. I setup a brand-new laptop for a couple the other day - W11, but using the common SHIFT+F10 bypass for the MS account, and allowing you to setup a local account instead. I would have put them on Linux, but they had already bought the laptop, they just wanted me to set it up for them. So long as you can create a local account, then OK. But MS don't want you to do that.  The guy on the video below DOES give MS the benefit of the doubt, as it is an early new build he is trying out, but I fully expect that this is NOT a bug, and very much IS intentional - MS want EVERYONE using W11, to be using a corresponding MS account. Someone in the comments said: "They will call it a bug, but I’m sure it’s deliberate to gauge the backlash." FORCED MS account with W11 install.... "Open the bomb-bay doors, please HAL." "I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that." "Let me create a local user account, please W11." "I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that." Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member  Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 147 |
Yeah... I'm kind of in the same mindset as you. They force you to upgrade and the upgrade won't let you have local accounts. |
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| greybeard Senior Member Joined: 04/01/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 174 |
I haven't tried it within the last few weeks but about a month ago creating an install iso using 'rufus' allowed bypassing of the minimum hardware idiocy' and the 'microsoft account' requirements. Also for older versions of windows (including win2k up to win10) you can still activate and upgrade them with info from these sites https://massgrave.dev/ and https://legacyupdate.net/ |
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Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5119 |
I have to admit, lately I've been researching running my day to day software in a linux environment. My main program is Dreamweaver CS3 or CS5. I cant use anything else, its my tool of the trade. Recently I've see people manage to install and run these versions of DW under wine on a Mint system. Problem 1 solved. Paint Shop Pro ver 7, another favourite, also can run under wine. Another issue solved. There is still some cad software and CNC stuff to look into, plus I need to test my software in a windows environment, as most of my clients use that. I have a windows 11 laptop that could do that job. I've got Unbuntu running on a mini-PC here as my home server, time to test these programs running under Linux for myself. If I can use my regular software under Linux, there's no real reason for me to stay with windows. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 147 |
Agreed... I'm not quite to that point. But that is what I'm going to do. I have a lot of Windows-10 machines. I even have a few Windows-7 machines serving my 3D Printers. There is no reason to upgrade them. They can just keep doing what they are setup to do. Even with the threat to not provide security updates, I have no reason to migrate them. They are safe behind my firewall. My plan is to let the more ambitious people pioneer the path and I'll be a quick follower to the Linux side. I just want the Windows support on Linux to be a little bit easier than it is today. But that is where I'm heading. |
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Mixtel90 Guru  Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7889 |
It's not that Windows support on Linux is at all poor, it's just a miracle that there is any at all! There are some extremely good programs that run on Linux (some are commercial - not everything is free!), it's just that they are unfamiliar to Windows users and need to be learned to get the best out of them. You can't really expect to get the same program running identically on both platforms as the underlying OS is totally different. Just a very small selection: Libre Office - what Microsoft Office should have been, and free! BricsCAD - full, commercial CAD not a long way from AutoCAD (in cost too!) FreeCAD - 3D modeller LibreCAD - simple, free, open source 2D design package. (DWG support is incomplete and read-only. Will write DXF.) The Gimp - incredible free image editor KiCAD - top end PCB design software (but the learning curve is a bit steep for me) . Edited 2025-07-18 19:22 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 533 |
SCNR :) VSCode |
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Justplayin Guru Joined: 31/01/2014 Location: United StatesPosts: 328 |
A couple of days ago watched a video about the forced Microsoft account problem. According to the guy in the video, the following currently works to create a Local only account when setting up Win11. SHIFT+F10 START MS-CXH:LOCALONLY This will open a Window to create a Local user account. Fill in the appropriate info and click NEXT. Windows will reboot and log into that account. I am not a Mad Scientist... It makes me happy inventing new ways to take over the world!! |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1990 |
Why is it that they want to force us into having an MS account, is it to gain information. I was over it and am now a Linux user and never been happier. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 147 |
Besides marketing reasons... It does help a lot in stopping piracy. If you have a verified email address for your users, you can track down the source of pirated copies of Windows. The user might be innocent, but now you can get in touch with the user and ask "Where did you buy that machine?" |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2440 |
one of the reasons is so that they can move to a model of 'one Microsoft Office subscription per user': imagine a world where you can sit down in front of any (windows) computer and login in, and there you have in front of you - instantly - your own personal desktop, your own files, and access to all the MS software that you have a subscription to. if you are a graphics designer, you will be able to run up Photoshop CS and carry on working on the image you started cleaning up this morning at work; if you are a writer you will be able to continue working on your latest manuscript using MS Word; if you are an accountant all your client spreadsheets will be ready to access and update with MS Excel no matter where you are. the concept of 'software piracy' will simply no longer exist, as software titles will be solely tied to an individual's login and follow that login everywhere. everyone will have their own personal suite of MS Software that they are subscribed to, and everyone will be paying for those programs they need to use. the BASIC package (for all 8,000,000,000 users) will likely cost just us$199.95 per year, generating revenues of us$1.5996×10¹² every year for M$ Corp. this will get you MS Word, MS Teams, MS Outlook, MS Paint, and MS Edge. oh, what a corporate utopia!  cheers, rob :-) Edited 2025-07-19 08:34 by robert.rozee |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9599 |
MOST of my problems with the forced MS account thing when setting up W11 for people, is that those people have just gone to the local Harvey Norman or Noel Leeming chain store, and purchased a new laptop with the W11 image already on there. The first time you start up those machines, it goes directly into the setup process. I wonder if you took the latest build like that guy in the video did, but then run it through the likes of Rufus etc, where you can simply disable all that hardware check crap, and most importantly, the MS account requirement. I wonder if that would still work on an ISO of the latest build? MS might have thought of that by now, and has a way to block even the custom ISO builder software. They REALLY want everyone on a MS account.  My need for W10 for the moment at least, still remains, for pretty much the same reasons as Gizmo - I have Windoze-only CAD software I absouletly MUST be able to run and have stable. The writers of the software have already stated they will not be doing Linux versions. I had pretty unsatisfactory results trying to install them under WINE, but I DID have 100% success running them inside a VM under Linux, with the only problem being that I was never able to get the VM Windoze, to print to the Linux printer. That was using old Windoze XP SP3 though. I seem to recall that Win7 or higher, that was not an issue. But I find myself conflicted with the whole VM thing. YES, I could use one and run Linux as the main OS, only going into a sleek install of Windoze for my CAD, but if you have to run Windoze inside a VM, why not just run Windoze and be done with it. Then there is always the dual-boot thing - Windows AND Linux, and you choose which one during boot, but that does not really work so well for when I need to have my CAD and various other applications running at the same time. Then you have to start trying out Linux distros and playing with the PLETHORA of releases Linux has, and it all becomes something of a blur.... Mint seems to be a pretty good bet these days, and it has a very large user-base too. It must be one of the top 5 distros at this point I would think. Last Mint I tried was the one based on Ubuntu, but I might download the one based on Debian and try that out. Up until recently in another thread, I did not even KNOW there was a Debian version of Mint in existence. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9599 |
YES - and that is the method I have been using up till now. If you check out the video I linked to in the 1st post, you will find that the latest build of W11 now does its best to PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT - The key-combination simply does not work now. If you can't open the terminal, you can't issue the command, and so you can't setup a local account. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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