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s4055451
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Posted: 11:46am 19 Sep 2007
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Does anyone know if there is any way of making windmills work in areas where wind speeds don't often exceed 30km/hr and average around 12km/hr?

Is there some way of gearing a windmill so that you can have bigger fins running a smaller motor?

Thanks for your help.
 
KiwiJohn
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Posted: 03:49am 20 Sep 2007
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To get the same power (i.e. watts) from lighter winds you need a bigger diameter. A bigger diameter, generally speaking, means lower RPM.

There are a few ways around this, you could use gearing and I think there are pictures of geared mills using a cogged belt on this site. You could use a larger diameter generator which will tend to have a lower operating speed than a smaller diameter one, of course the F&P favoured at this site is in that category. Another thing you could do is just use a bigger generator operating at way less than its capacity or maybe a dual F&P. Plenty of things to think about.

If you are willing to go away from the horizontal axis configuration I am sure there are vertical axis systems that could be designed for low wind speeds. There are a few people posting here who know at vertical axis machines and maybe we will hear from them.
 
Gizmo

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Posted: 09:34am 20 Sep 2007
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There isnt a lot of power in low winds. But this doesn't mean you still cant harness what power there is. You either need to lower your expectations, or go BIG.
My windmill can make over 20 amps in strong winds, but this time of year there is little wind here, and the windmill never got up to speed. So instead of hoping for 10 or even 5 amps, I changed the mill to make some use of low winds. I swapped the stator for a lower RPM version, adjusted the blades from 2 degrees at the tips to 30 degrees, and the result is a steady 0.5 amps almost all day long. Better than nothing, and at least the windmill is making power.

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vasi

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Posted: 02:34pm 20 Sep 2007
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Glenn, what is

  Gizmo said   I swapped the stator for a lower RPM version...
Glenn


30 degrees at the tips?
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vawtman

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Posted: 09:49pm 20 Sep 2007
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Hi S4
Heres my thoughts
Others have pointed out the lack of power in low winds and gearing and slight cogging will take most of that.

I had a 5hp converted motor on my largish vawt geared 1;3 at a windspeed it normally spun at 100rpms it wouldnt start.So now im working on a large inefficient alternator.

The other thing is a turbine with many blades would be the way to go.Just make sure its built strong enough or has a lockdown device during storms.

Good luck and welcome to the wonderfull world of wind.
 
Gizmo

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For Vasi

The stator I swapped over is rewired to have a lower cut in RPM. About 80RPM it reaches 12V. The 30 degrees at the tips, well my blade angle can be adjusted, so I turned them to give about 30 degrees, very easy to start and lots of torque, but wont spin very fast.

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vasi

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Posted: 04:45pm 24 Sep 2007
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Thank you Glenn, I "gather" every tips&tricks about running windmills on low speed winds (if this phrase is correct).

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