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Forum Index : Windmills : Ebay Fisher Pakel stator ???
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| Renman Newbie  Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
There is a seller that has a number of these stators for sale on ebay.He mentions this website and econovations. His price for one is about $237.00 US Item# 160169430767 Is this a okay deal, and is this the lastest newest F&P stator availible. Does anyone know who this guy is. He goes by martin10263 and is out of Perth. I asked him by e-mail if he posted here but he hasn't responded. I'll post again after reply. Thanks. A MODIFIED TO 7 PHASE OUTPUT STATOR, BRAND NEW 48 MAGNET ROTOR Part No. 420 774 P USED SHAFT,BEARINGS, AND HUB ASSEMBLY Suitable for 12, 24 or 48 Volt operation as a WIND GENERATOR, AQUA GENERATOR OR A MOTORISED GENERATOR INCLUDED IN THIS KIT BRAND NEW 48 Magnet rotor, USED, CLEANED AND INSPECTED Stator REWIRED AND TESTED. Retaining Plates, bearings, shaft, bearing housing, hub bolts as a complete assembly. NOTE SOME UNITS HAS VISIBLE STRESS CRACKS IN THE STATOR, THESE ARE NORMAL FOR THESE MOTORS AND HAVE NEVER CAUSED A FAILURE, THE ACTUAL STATOR IS FIXED AND DOES NOT ROTATE IN THE WIND GENERATOR RENMAN |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
I had a look and I think its a OK deal. He will supply lots of parts and has done a lot of the hard work for you, though remember this is only the alternator, you still need to build the windmill. I dont know who he is, though he may very well be a member of this board. If you have any questions about the 7 phase conversion please feel free to ask. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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Gill Senior Member  Joined: 11/11/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 669 |
G'day Renman, No, the stator will not be new but it has been modified to 7 phase. This is to go with the NEW rotor. It is the new rotor that has the arrow head shaped magnets that greatly reduce cogging. This is very desirable if you intend building a wind generator. This is a good combination to have so no problems in that regard. was working fine... til the smoke got out. Cheers Gill _Cairns, FNQ |
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Highlander Senior Member Joined: 03/10/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 266 |
G'day Renman, if you were a lazy bugger and you lived in oz this may be ok. However your going to be up for a huge shipping fee. And you still have to build the mongrel, and buy or carve some blades. If I were you I'de source one locally, I did an egay search and found this Hope that helps. 
Ps the F&P normally gives around 200 watts PPS I don't endorse mikes windmills it's just an example I found. Also I did have a stator fail due to cracks. It was in a petrol driven backup gen, which was subjected to high stresses, but they can fail, and when they do they make very nasty noises. 
Thankfully here we can get another stator for nothing or maybe $10 Central Victorian highlands |
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| Renman Newbie Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
Thanks for response. I am a lazy bugger and do live in OZ thank you.  No, the fact of the matter is I ran across this deal the other evening after getting back to this forum, and rethinking the idea of building my own wind generator. Overall I am working toward the goal of becoming as self sufficient as possible. May take a few years, but thats okay. In the last year I have purchased a couple of older diesel Mercedes, one which has required considerable attention. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and I expect I will have it on the road within a few weeks. So next over the winter months, I would like to build a wind generator in my shop. With regards to the ebay F&P my idea was that this would jump start the program and get me seriously thinking and moving in that direction after this car restoration. I have purchased some welding equipment, and in the back of my mind since reading the post about the demensional steel fabricated tower, I had decided to build this type of tower. Anyway I'm excited about getting this project going. Do you guys know where I could buy a 2-4 of these newer F&P s I could modify myself? Randy's workshop has the F&P for sale here in the states, but I'm pretty sure they are the older style that had cogging issues. I want the newer ones. Back to work.RENMAN |
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martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
hi renman, highlander gill, first of all thanks for a great site guys. my name is martin stone i go by the name martin110263 on ebay i have only been a member of this site for a little while, posting hopefully good information and help and my opinion in responce to some other members issues and problems, i am married with 2 kids living in perth bus slowly establishing a 75 acre farm that has no grid connection (Quoted $80000 to connect) so producing power was a priority. i have reccomended this site and eccovission site so people can see how the windmills made and the possibilities there are, they can use that information to build ther own if they like i do not state that this website or anyone here reccomends me or promote me in fact I promote them. thank you thebackshed for your information and dedication and help with my atempts to setup a selfsuficient farm in SW of WA. i made two F&P windmills 2 yrs ago using this site as a guide, they worked great and still do today, along the way many people have asked me for help with there projects a am only too happy to help anyone. i do try to sell motors and parts on ebay, i have a few and am just making a little money for doing the hard work for you making a usefull alternator. renman the fractures are only an issue if you rotate the stator. if it is fixed and the rotor rotates around it it cannot break, unless it isnot seated correctly. the newer rotor can be purchased through F&P direct although i have a local repairist getting them in for me. thanks for the space here guys, i saw this post and thought i would try to clarify who i am and what i do i am away at the farm for 3 days to 4 per week and in perth for 3 days, that is why i havnot replyed to your message, please accept my apology for not replying yet ok good luck to you all martin free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| Renman Newbie Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
Hey Martin. Thank for bellying up to the bar and responding to my post. Don't take it personal, but I have been burnt a number of times using ebay, and I am getting a little gun shy. Thought I would try and do a little checking before I buy from a new vendor on ebay. With the references made to the Backshed I figured you might be a posting member. How many watts are you generating from the two F&Ps on average in a day? I have a 10 acre patch of ground in central Illinois and am on the grid. Since I posted the above a few days ago, I looked at my average usage in kilowatts per month. We average 3700KWs, which works out to just at 123KWs per day. RENMAN |
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GWatPE Senior Member Joined: 01/09/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2127 |
Hi Renman, Is your consumption 123KWhr per day? An F&P mill could produce 200-400W, depending on the wind and rotor dia and matching to load. Say 7KWhr per day if it was windy all day and you had 3m dia rotor. I am sure there are many other members who have actual measured daily KWhr outputs they can post here. for comparison. My total house consumption is between 8 and 25KWhr per day, with an average of 12KWhr per day. Have I missed something re your usage? cheers, Gordon. become more energy aware |
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| martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
hi guys, i understand renman no offence taken m8, i too have been burned on ebay better to do some background checking. my two gens are only producing about 15kwhr to 25kwhr per day dep on wind conditions, but i am very power consience it is realy only the fridge(beer is priority lol) that is on 24/7 when im there as i said b4, i am there only 3 to 4 days a week, i reccon i only use about 1.5kwhr per day for the fridge, thr lights are 12v on a seperate system solar and wind powered so they dont affect the 240v 4000w inverter suply that is from a 24v system, the 24v system also has 4 80w bp pannels 2 (series wired) pairs wired in parralell for 24v. this boost the wind (or should i say the wind chargers boost the solar) i dont actualy have exact outputs and usage per day. i have just followed the advise on this site and all worked well. the outputs per day of other f&p's other members have in kwhr would be interesting for comparison... i find that i just turn up and use everything i need and always find the batteries at 95 to 100% even after some long stays with the kids and wife using tv's dvd player washing machine laptop psp etc etc... kids are very power hungry lol we have stayed there for 14 days streight and still could not touch the battery charge left there at 98% some sunny days some rainy cloudy days some verry still cloudy days. my batteries are realy good, ex power station backup 2v at 330amphrs i have 2 24v banks and a 12v bank. i believe the bateries make all the diference and keeping them at above 75% charge all the time. your power comsumption seems very high to me, look for the hungry standby loads in computers tv's etc switch off at the plug. i will try to establish a usage/ output chart but my loads are not wired through the load output in the controler, i have the loads wired direct to batteries i was told it is a better way to go. thanks for the followup people great to see fellow wind enthusiast brainstorming together. martinjsto free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| Renman Newbie Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
Ya, I checked my electric power usage again. The 123Kws per day is close to average. Maybe I should explain that we are a residence and business both in the same building. We live upstairs. Big old farmhouse. People in and and out all day, 7-10 computers running, well pump, & barn/shop. In the summer we have 3 central air conditioners running. In the winter 3 gas furnaces. Lots of power being eaten. Looks like I might want to look at throwing as much as my computer system into standby at night to save energy. I have and do continue to upgrade the physical structure, such as insulation, caulk, etc. My power bills are typically $375.00 to $400.00 monthly. Believe it or not this is cheap compared to some municipality's locally. A large supplier of power in the state, AMEREN just instituted a huge rate increase this year. I can imagine what our bill would be if we where on AMEREN'S electric grid. To what extent I can offset or minimalize my dependence on the grid remains to be seen, although I know I can whack off a percentage of this dependence. RENMAN |
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| martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
ok well with those numbers renman i doupt weather a f&p will be suitable as a stand alone system the cost of freight makes it a very expensive alternator not realy worth the expense, but i was reading about a fellow who has 10 small wind gens set up in parralell or maby series? to suply a great deal of power, u can use the vawt (verticle axis wind turbine) design, keeping the visual aspect down and posably use the lg motors, can you get them from your home? there similar i believe, others use converted car alternators there are lots of alternatives the problem is getting the time to explore them all, thats where sites like this are so valuable, save a lot of failures and share infomation, good luck renman martin free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| Highlander Senior Member Joined: 03/10/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 266 |
Bloody Hell, 123Kw hours a day 
Your going to need more than a few little turbines, perhaps a nuclear plant might do the job. Central Victorian highlands |
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| GWatPE Senior Member Joined: 01/09/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2127 |
Hi martinjsto, how many amps do your mills put out? Do you have constant 20 knots of wind? 25KWhr is 1KWhr every hour of the day. At 24V this equates to 40A average. I though where I live was windy! please explain, Gordon. become more energy aware |
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| martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
you right GWatPE i didnt put in the dot it should be 1.5 to 2.5kw on medium to good days of 10hrs or so of usable wind. sory it is windy down south (not that windy) of WA. my mills are in a great spot, i have seen. 24 to 30 volts @ 7 to 10 amps on good days. this is not an adverage either. just some results i have achieved. i use diodes at battery conections, i get a bit of heat but nothing excessive, (the diodes are from salvaged old computer power packs) seems to work ok and seem tough enough,, i used the kit from oatley electronics shunt regulator, this wind system charge the 12v system along with 1 80w solar pannels which should (i have a problem with it at the moment so its wind only for now) achieve 6 to 8 amps at 12v on medium sunny days 9 to 11 amps on sunny days. for about 11 hrs a day at the moment, thats another 1.2kv or so. hope that clarifies my setup sory for the t/o free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| Renman Newbie Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
In the last couple of days I have been going through the windmill posts. I cam across a couple of references to the Chinese windmills that are offered under various company names.Seems the guys using them like thier performance. Below is a 2kw wind turbine with everything except tower for $2900.00 (basic unit/no batteries or inverter of course)This is an outfit out of British Columbia. So generally speaking,if this unit is even making 75% of the stated power, that's 36KWs per day right? If this sounds about right, then if I wanted to go whole hog, four of them would more than take care of my power needs. (2000 watts x 75% x 24 hours = 36KWs) Definitely,I would start with one. What do ya think? Personally I hate buying Chines anything. period but it doesn't sound like a wind generator putting out 200 watts is going to cut it. This means I would require 20plus units.Whooah. I'm going to call them today to get some more info. 2KW 2000 Watt Wind Turbine Generator WIND FARM 48 V Cheaper power for boats, RVs and battery charging for home power systems. One of 3 bladed / wind turbine!!! Type: 3 Blade Upwind Rotor Diameter: 3.2 m Start-up Wind Speed: 2.5 m/s (5.6 mph) Cut-in Wind Speed: 3 m/s (6.7 mph) Rated Wind Speed: 9 m/s (20.1 mph) Rated Power: 2000 Watts Maximum Power: ~ 2500 Watts Furling Wind Speed: 12 m/s (27 mph) Overspeed Protection: AutoFurl Temperature Range: -40 to +60 Deg. C (-40 to +140 Deg. F) Generator: Permanent Magnet Alternator Output Form: 120 VDC This is an ebay listing RENMAN |
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| Renman Newbie Joined: 24/09/2006 Location: United StatesPosts: 9 |
Where these the F&Ps units you guys use in Australia, or a more commercial application.Ya, sorting this all out is half the challenge. I don't have an electrical background like so many these guys do on this forum, admitedly, as soon as siene waves and alogrithms start being banterd about like popsicle stick s at a church bazarre, I get stary eyed. This is a great site though and I am enjoying the learning curve.
Martin, the F&Ps are availible new stateside, of coures none of the modifications have been done.  RENMAN |
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