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| brucedownunder2 Guru  Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
I have ordered a new model stator from F&P today and should receive it tomorrow or monday. It's part No. is 420775P and the cost is $98.15 + $15.00 delivery . You can order the same over the Phone (No. 1300 650 590 ) ask for spare parts and give them part No, your address, and Credit card no. They don't ask for your name on the Credit card --but I guess you tell them this in your mailing address . The guy didn't know anything about it -but he must have called engineering -he was some time- and then he had the part No. \Hope it is correct !!!. So there, more goodies to play with,lol,Ilda brings Bruce's play lunch to the workshop !! Have fun Ps- be home all over Xmas /new Year if anyone in the area of the Gold Coast /Brissie Etc you are welcome to drop in Bruce Bushboy |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Sounds good Bruce. That should be the new 36 pole stator. 36 poles would divide down a lot better than 42. Dont forget to take a picture when it arives, interrested to see what they look like up close. Glenn PS. And take some measurements on wire size, just realised we know nothing about these new stators. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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Pt w/field Matt Senior Member  Joined: 24/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 105 |
hi Bruce i got mine for $77.80 your getting your ears ripped off and gizmo got his for $58 yell out if you want me to get one for you matt down south |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
and----- we could go back to 3 Phase, bring the ac down to the workshop like before-fairly important, as I reckon there is a lot of voltage drop in that 2 wire lead from the mil--even though it's 16mm square heavy wire. What do you reckon the re-config should be?? same as we did the early ones? or with 36 poles do you think there would be a better option? Bruce Bushboy |
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| Pt w/field Matt Senior Member Joined: 24/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 105 |
hi bruce forget last message i thought it was for the rotor,thats sounds a good price for the stator matt down south |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
42 poles = 14 poles per phase = combinations of 1, 2, 7 or 14. 36 poles = 12 poles per phase = combinations of 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12 Think of the possibilities with that one, and me trying to draw up the wiring options. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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brett Newbie  Joined: 08/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 39 |
I'll check that price compared to what I can get them for. Sounds like a fun new can of worms |
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Tinbender Newbie Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 14 |
I just recieved my new 36 pole Stator and new Rotor. S&P Parts place said that some #s have changed on parts. Stator Part #420775P changed to #426454P ....and Rotor Part #420774P changed to #425620P I found a F&P parts place in California USA, if anyone needs the info here it is with part #s. I believe the part #s have changed for the new Stator and Rotor and are reflected in the pic below. I just got rid of the diagrams I posted here and am directing to your new drawings Gizmo. Nice work! Thank you. New 36 Pole Stator Wiring Diagrams  VAWTs Up Doc? VAWTs Happening? Is that VAWT you vant? VAWT vere you thinking? |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
You on your own with this one, I think Bruce is the only one who's done any testing with the new hub and stator combination. You've done your drawings as a 6 phase alternator, but its actually a 3 phase alternator, so dont go cutting any wires just yet. Ignore the 7 phase conversion page, its only applies when you use the new magnet hub with the old stators. Instead look at the 3 phase pages http://www.thebackshed.com/windmill/FPRewire.asp 36 poles mean more options when you come to re-configure the stator. 1 pole, 2 poles in series, 3 poles in series, 4 poles in series, 6 poles in series and the standard 12 poles in series. The old 42 pole stators gave less options, 1 pole, 2 poles in series, 7 poles in series and the standard 14 poles in series. So it should be a more flexible alternator with respect to output voltages. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Tinbender Newbie Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 14 |
I just got rid of the diagrams I posted here and am directing to your new drawings Gizmo. Nice work! Thank you. Here for Gizmo's diagrams on rewiring 36 pole stator. > New 36 Pole Stator Wiring Diagrams VAWTs Up Doc? VAWTs Happening? Is that VAWT you vant? VAWT vere you thinking? |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Bingo! That would be good for 12 or 24 volts, depending on available winds and turbine. I'll make it my mission for this weekend to draw up the wiring diagrams for the 36 pole stators. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Tinbender Newbie Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 14 |
Thats great. I'll be making a Savonius from 55 Gallon Drums. Just like my Avatar. You Like? Peter Likes it. 
Mine will actually be made of blue plastic barrels, so when I get it up and running I'll make a video and then I can make an Avatar of mine. If you have a video of your favorite Windmill and would like an Avatar of it just post a link to the Vid and I'll make one for whoever wants. VAWTs Up Doc? VAWTs Happening? Is that VAWT you vant? VAWT vere you thinking? |
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Steve9R Regular Member  Joined: 24/01/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 72 |
So.. what are the advantages of this new stator then ? have you got any pics yet Bruce ? what is the wire size ? I assume they are coupled with the '7phase' hub as well ? Steve |
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| Tinbender Newbie Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 14 |
For me, the advantages of this New 36 Pole Rotor are: 1. It can be obtained by those of us in the USA right from the F&P parts department in the USA. Where we would otherwise be stuck-out-of-luck. Other possible advantages could be that it's bobbins/fingers/coils, are already factory rounded at the ends, which has proven to reducing cogging. There is the possibility that you might have reduced output as a result, but sometimes less output is better than no output at all if your Mill is stalled because of cogging and doesn't turn at all in low wind speeds. Here's one... It's Brand New! For some of us, this really gets us excited. I'll take advantage of that any time. My experience.. I hear the UPS truck pull up, and I think "Is that it?.. Is it here?" Then I see a shadow of a uniformed figure pass through the semi-closed window blinds on the way to my door... and Ding-Dong.. there goes my door bell. now I'm really worked up... I open the door they hand me my NEW Stator and Rotor. As I open the box and remove the packing paper, it's like opening a christmas present.... Niiiice... Cleeeen... Neeeeew... WOW.. and no matter what anyone says to the contrary, there is nothing better than a Viiirgin Stator. Just look at the beauty of it's purity, so young and fresh and never been had.
I almost want to just hang it on my wall for looks and just find me some Old Used Hag of a Rotor for my VAWTing around; then while the Hag is performing I can be thinking of my Cutie on the Wall.  VAWTs Up Doc? VAWTs Happening? Is that VAWT you vant? VAWT vere you thinking? |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
Hi Tinbender,, it's nice to hear how excited you are ,,now just imagine if a Neo rotor came along,that would be like all your Christmas's bundled together. I tried a neo conversion for the new STATOR --placed all the magnets in a stripped OLD rotor ,poured the resin . Didn't work -I reckon the magnets I used were too narrow and therefore the gap between the mags was too much . If someone out there wants to modify an OLD rotor to suit a NEW stator make sure you use magnets that just leave a narrow gap,,say, no more than 3 mm. I'm sure this neo/new stator combination with a re-configuration of the wiring will give nearly twice the output,, Noe Tinbender,, have you settled down yet,remember it's just a stator and rotor,,not a clock,not a young virgin chick, so be calm ,,maybe for the time being ,you'd be more successful with the "old Hag" who knows once you have "converted" her ,she may perform real well,lol. Have fun,thats the main thing Bruce Bushboy |
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martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
one thing i have noticed is when my new rotor arives it has a plastic bolt for the rotor nut, not the rotor nut as shown in above expanded view. unsure why as i have not purchased the stator and rotot just the rotor for the 7 phase conversion is the shaft different on the new machines? martin free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| Steve9R Regular Member Joined: 24/01/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 72 |
Yeah thats right.. the '7phase' magnet hubs come with a bolt type nut.. thats normal.. dont use it.. just pull the normal plastic bolt off one of the old '3phase' magnet hubs and put that in instead.. then you can use the old shafts.. Steve |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
One thing I did notice and have done .. the old style nylon hexagon nut ,,gently cut the end 'cap" off the threaded portion .. now when you want to remove the rotor unwind the hexagon "nut" until it no longer engages the thread. Now thread in the Nylon bolt that arrived and ,by hand ,you can turn this down onto the shaft a few turns and the rotor comes off without pulling it so much. I have stripped off a few threads from previous rotors by having to pull very hard on them ,,the above method will save you lots of pulling and protect the threads. Bruce Bushboy |
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| Steve9R Regular Member Joined: 24/01/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 72 |
Good idea Bruce..  |
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| Tinbender Newbie Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 14 |
Bruce... What is this part you used here on your testbed? I've got one of the old bearing holders that was cut out of a whole tub, but this looks like a different type of bearing holder that would work well for what I want to do. If it is a bearing holder do you have a part number so I can order one. Looks like I could easily mount it to wherever I wanted. Brian  VAWTs Up Doc? VAWTs Happening? Is that VAWT you vant? VAWT vere you thinking? |
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