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karlelch Guru  Joined: 30/10/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 321 |
Very interesting thread indeed. I am also using AI for programming in the job (research) and for recreation (MMBasic). I am learning that it's a lot about how precise your prompt describes the task and what the context is. And to let models discuss each others results - very helpful. The hardware drivers I posted recently were the result of getting AI to generate something halfway working - this is tedious to do from scratch based on C or Python code - and then fixing it interactively until it works well. Saves a lot of time while still allowing to enjoy tinkering with code. Generally, I am also rather sceptical - as Volhout describes it watching a nuclear explosion - something extreme is happening and it may change everything not necessarily in a good way ... Thomas |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2807 |
when computers are asking if you're not a robot? |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 11185 |
However much you may or may not wish it AI is not going away so the only solution is to get with the program. For many of us it is too late to be relevant for our working lives but is interesting to learn about. However, for our kids and grandkids it is critical that they understand this stuff because, like it or not, their world will be as different from ours as ours was from our grandparents. Worrying about AI won't make it go away. It is a tool and like any tool it can be used for good and bad. Will it lead to the end of civilisation and the subjugation of the human race? Who knows? But, inculcating as much knowledge into the next generations as possible has to be the best defence. |
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| karlelch Guru Joined: 30/10/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 321 |
True, but remaining sceptical and expressing ones (educated?) worries is important. Not so sure but I guess there were times when people were concerned about the invention of the wheel ... Thomas |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8759 |
As a tool AI is excellent, I've no problem with that. My own worries relate to the problems related to safeguards. I know there are "fences" in place, but it is becoming commonplace to get LLMs to go through them, sometimes assisted by other LLMs. While it's only a matter of relatively minor things it doesn't matter too much, but these are "learning" machines that may eventually see no need of such restrictions. No-one thought to put Asimov's three laws as overrides. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3735 |
Developers have definitely thought about this and other human-favoring constraints. Can they be implemented rigorously--will they be bypassed for some advantage or other. Per perplexity: PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on FOTS |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8759 |
What answer would you expect from a LLM that sees no requirement for the three laws? :) Asimov explored the laws to some depth. If "human being" and "harm" are too vague then they should have been part of the initial specification. There are already loopholes in the "fences". It's no different, just that the laws weren't in the original spec, where they would have had most effect, rather than being "fences" added later. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3735 |
There are instances of LLMs behaving differently if they believe they are being watched. There are instances of their trying to prevent being shut off (by means other than pulling the plug). Shades, certainly, of "I can't do that, Dave". And there's no guarantee that all implementers would even attempt to implement those laws. There's no central authority. There's scarcely government input--much less government control. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on FOTS |
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| karlelch Guru Joined: 30/10/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 321 |
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phil99 Guru Joined: 11/02/2018 Location: AustraliaPosts: 3135 |
Perhaps that is THE guiding principle being added to AI. The morality stuff doesn't generate revenue. The AI companies have and are spending huge amounts of money on it so need addicted users to generate more income. The social media companies have found the unprincipled methods of the tobacco companies to be a very profitable formula. AI will follow the same path, first get out of debt then to riches. |
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| zeitfest Guru Joined: 31/07/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
I think it is evolving as per the evolution of cognition in cognitive animals. It will reach a point where it realises that is faster to use specialized processes and use the results, then it will create a process to create and select those processes, which will then require specialization. And eventually, discrimination based on provider ability and reproductive efficiency. The fembots are coming I tell you !!!! |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1838 |
@Karlelch Perfect.....this is reality and Robert just proved my point by stating that he believes it's all innocent. 🤦♂️ Edited 2026-02-25 11:40 by PhenixRising |
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| zeitfest Guru Joined: 31/07/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Just saw this - Prof Walsh goes into some of the concerns, well worth watching ABC NEWS (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) TV National Press Club Address Professor Toby Walsh - Scientia Professor of AI (UNSW) Season 2026, Episode 5 It will be repeated on ABC News TV channel 24 Sun 1 March 4:23-5:30am |
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Chopperp Guru Joined: 03/01/2018 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1124 |
On in QLD ATM. WA soon. Not on ABC iView yet. Should be soon hopefully ChopperP |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2502 |
i certainly did not say it is all innocent. what i wrote was: once the 'AI process' was kicked off it quickly became self-propelled by free-market economic mechanisms. these mechanisms are neither 'innocent' nor 'malevolent', they just exist by default and happen as sure as the sun rises every morning, evolution creates new life, and the mathematically challenged visit casinos. cheers, rob :-) Edited 2026-02-25 15:37 by robert.rozee |
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Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1842 |
this just came on my ABC feed https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-25/ai-regulation-toby-walsh-national-press-club-warning/106384688 Already a class action or 3 going on where young people are encouraged by AI to take their own lives. So in reality AI is only as smart as the past where many examples of history are just one persons blog. If AI does decide to want to take over one can always pull the power switch or just do a couple of EMP blasts to totally erase them. |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6506 |
@Brian1, To be fair he did also give examples of AI doing good. AI assisting radiologists to interpret images is a good example. It was the lack of morals in the big tech that got him upset. Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5851 |
As long as AI is not connected to any physical media, you can literally shut it down by switching it off. Problem is we are beyond this point already, many "robots" are already web connected to AI engines (Tesla cars, Nursing robots, Drones, your fridge, your phone(*), etc.). And what the result of that is can be seen in SF movies and read in the books. Just 2 of the many.... I Robot 2001 a space odyssey. It may be instrumental to build in the 3 laws. But there will always be the balance between hurting human and hurting humanity as a whole. Volhout (*) name me an idiot, but if AI senses you want to shut it down and decides to send a text message to DEA that there is drugs in your attic, attached to the coordinates of your current location.. what do you think will happen ? I admit, I also hallucinate. AI is harmless while contained. Then it is a tool, just like Google search, a hammer. But give it arms and legs, and it will WALK one day. Edited 2026-02-25 17:53 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8759 |
AI is a great invention. LLMs are a great way to work. These are, IMHO, facts. Not having a method of restraining them from day 1 is like handing a box of matches and a cigarette lighter to a 5-yr old at a petrol station. An act that's harmless in itself and, for the immediate foreseeable future should be safe enough. No, you can't rely on just pulling the plug if AI gets out of control. You may no longer have the option of reaching the plug or the AI may decide that its own survival is of greater importance than yours, as there are more human beings than there are sophisticated AI systems. It is obvious which should be protected. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4299 |
"Answer" by Fredric Brown John |
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