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twofingers
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  Frank N. Furter said  UPDATE:
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ALT+F1  does not work for me. It makes no difference to me whether I hold down the ALT key while pressing the function keys or not. (I have tried two keyboards...)

@Frank,
please try the backspace key - BS and than F1. I had the same problem.
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Frank N. Furter
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@twofingers:

Thank you very much! You're right - Backspace works for me too...
Very strange...

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This could still be a keyboard issue. There are no ASCII codes associated with either ALT or the function keys so exactly how they are decoded is not guaranteed for every keyboard. Many keys generate multiple codes when they are pressed and it could be that the code generated by F1 is missing at least part of the code that is being generated by BS.
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Maybe DE keyboard mapping ?
Both Frank and Michael use German Keyboards I guess.
Both could try a US keyboard if they have one, and confirm it works with ALT.

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  Volhout said  Can you perhaps also compile a version WITHOUT HDMI sound - with HDMI sound some of my monitors don't work and only show a black picture...

I just tried it with a US keyboard - it's the same behavior! ALT doesn't work, backspace works...

Frank

UPDATE:
When I switch with OPTION KEYBOAD US, it still doesn't work!
Edited 2025-01-16 21:17 by Frank N. Furter
 
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If you are reporting keyboard issues in the firmware or any application software it is essential to specify whether you are referring to a

USB connected keyboard
PS2 connected keyboard
Computer Console connected keyboard, in which case you also need to specify which OS and which console program

All of these may give different results, particularly in respect of modifier keys and even more particularly with different language variants where modifier keys are used differently
 
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It's my Olimex board from this thread: https://www.thebackshed.com/forum/ViewTopic.php?FID=16&TID=17627

  Quote  I have flashed a "Olimex RP2040‐PICO‐PC" (with Pico-2) with the "PicoMiteHDMIUSBV6.00.01.uf2" (2024-12-30_183756_PicoMiteRP2350V6.00.01.zip) version.

I have tried various USB keyboards - always the same behavior.

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  matherp said  If you are reporting keyboard issues in the firmware or any application software it is essential to specify whether you are referring to a

USB connected keyboard
PS2 connected keyboard
Computer Console connected keyboard, in which case you also need to specify which OS and which console program

All of these may give different results, particularly in respect of modifier keys and even more particularly with different language variants where modifier keys are used differently

I wasn't sure whether I was simply using the program incorrectly...

Does the ALT key work for anyone???

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Hi Frank,

The ALT key works correct on the PS2 attached keyboard language US.

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Frank N. Furter
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Hmm, then there seems to be a bug somewhere. It doesn't work for me with OPTION KEYBOARD US and my USB keyboards either...

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The scancodes for PS2 and USB are completely different. The ALT key on PS2 seems to send &H8B whereas on USB the ALT key is a modifier that can be interrogated with the KEYDOWN function. For a USB keyboard to work there will need to be a change to the application. For a computer connected keyboard, AFAIK, it won't and can't ever work
Edited 2025-01-17 23:04 by matherp
 
Frank N. Furter
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Excuse me if I ask:
If I understand you correctly, do I have to change/adapt it in the file manager program?

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Yes

I haven't looked at the program but wherever it looks for ALT then you will need to replace that with a call to "KEYDOWN(7) & 1" (manual page 167)

The program should be generalized to work with either by using instr(MM.DEVICE$,"USB")
 
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Thanks Peter!

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  Frank N. Furter said  Hmm, then there seems to be a bug somewhere. It doesn't work for me with OPTION KEYBOARD US and my USB keyboards either...

Can you check your keyboards with a simple program?
Do
 K=ASC(Inkey$)
 If K Then Print K;
Loop

Alt = 139

I will try to fix the FM program for using USB keyboards in the near future.
 
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As Peter wrote, keycode could sometimes help.
However, there are differences between USB and USB+Console.
Dim key$
CLS
Print "press a key to check! EXIT with CTRL + <C>"
Do
 Do :Key$=Inkey$:Loop While Key$=""
 k=KeyDown(1)
 Print "Keycode: "Asc(key$),
 If key$>=" " Then
   Print "ASCII: ";key$,"Keydown(7): "KeyDown(7)
 Else
   Print
 EndIf
Loop
End

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  twofingers said  As Peter wrote, keycode could sometimes help.
However, there are differences between USB and USB+Console.
Dim key$
CLS
Print "press a key to check! EXIT with CTRL + <C>"
Do
 Do :Key$=Inkey$:Loop While Key$=""
 k=KeyDown(1)
 Print "Keycode: "Asc(key$),
 If key$>=" " Then
   Print "ASCII: ";key$,"Keydown(7): "KeyDown(7)
 Else
   Print
 EndIf
Loop
End

Michael

Just wondering whether k should be printed / why is it set?

John
 
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  JohnS said  ...
Just wondering whether k should be printed / why is it set?

John

Me too, this should be deleted. This is a leftover from the experiments ...  
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Hello,

quick question: Is there a mouse support (ps2/usb) for the file manager yet? I think this would be an improvement if not already built in   Drag 'n Drop from one DIR to another or copy etc...

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@John
I think this is a better attempt to show the different return values ​​for different keyboards.
'* Keydown-view to show all keydown codes
'* From manual:
'* KEYDOWN(0)    = number of keys being pressed
'* KEYDOWN(1)-(6)= decimal ASCII value of the USB keyboard key
'* KEYDOWN(7)    = will give any modifier keys that are pressed
'* lalt = 1, lctrl = 2, lgui = 4, lshift = 8,
'* ralt = 16,rctrl = 32, rgui = 64, rshift = 128,
'* Last column: KEYDOWN(8)=status of the lock keys
'* caps_lock = 1, num_lock = 2, scroll_lock = 4
'**************************************************
MODE 1
CLS
Dim key$
Dim integer i,pp,FW=MM.Info(fontwidth)
CLS
Print "Keydown view. Press a key to check! EXIT with CTRL + <C>"
Print
Do
Do :Key$=Inkey$:Loop While Key$=""
If key$<" " Then key$=""
pp=9
Print "ASCII: ";key$;@(pp*FW);
For i= 0 To 7
  Inc pp,9-(i<1)*2
  Color RGB(white),255<<7 Or 255 * Not(i Mod 2)
  Print "K(";Str$(i,1);")";
  Select Case i
    Case 0
      Print KeyDown(i);" ";
    Case <7
      Print Str$(KeyDown(i),4);" ";
    Case 7
      Print Str$(KeyDown(i),4);
      Color RGB(white),0
      Print KeyDown(8);
  End Select
  Print @(pp*fw);
Next
Print
Loop
End




Kind regards
Michael
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